Rather F/M Protagonist tags shoud be left and "M/F Demographic with..." be removed. Not every series has specific demographic gender, and there is also "Kids" demographic (it's not on site so those series has no demographic tag) as well as some series has wrong demographic (eg it's added based on editor feeling as series wasn't specified any where, or it's added based on magazine tag eg shounen jump, but it's more shoujo, but only because it's published in SHOUNEN jump means you can't tag it as shoujo), also F/M Protag is shorter to type in search box - one of two reasons for what even tags exists is filtering by them xd 4d5l6i

PS. Just personally I think people care more what gender protagonist has rather than what demographic it has xD especially when you see lovey-dovey romance taged as shounen

Personally, the target audience matters to me more than the gender of the protagonist.

I don't really read much shounen/seinen anymore because I got tired of the way women in them were written and depicted. There are a fair number of shounen series that have female protagonists (although often enough they're a man reincarnated into a girl's body for the sake of ecchi, so I don't know if that really counts...), but even when the MC is female that doesn't mean women are written well.

The majority of what I read these days is rofan, which is targeted at a female audience, and sometimes those will be from the ML's pov. For example, The Villainous Tyrant Has Returned has a regressor MC who's the ML, and while it's got a male MC, it's primarily focused on character development, relationships, and romance, which is more common in female-targeted stories.

The ML pov and shared ML/FL pov series that are female-targeted just tend to have a very different vibe from the male targeted ones, so breaking it down simply by the gender of the protagonist would take away a huge amount of nuance. I'm not saying it couldn't be done better or that it's not kind of messy right now, but it's still worth keeping around.

(Also just as an unrelated aside, I have no idea who added all those "clever/smart protagonist" tags, but while he technically is book smart, I honestly can't agree with calling him clever, my boy is dumber than a sack of bricks when it comes to social interaction. I love him to pieces, he's such a loser 😂)

The Pedophile and Pedophilia tags (and Grooming) need looking over for atrocious misuse. Someone's been adding them to any series with an underage girl + adult man (and even then it's not always the case), regardless of the context or age gap. Or even if the girl is considered an adult in the series itself.

Someone's even tagged Sailor Moon with Pedophilia. At this point it's either a troll or a terrible joke.

If anything, these tags don't really help, and I think the Pedophilia tag should be deleted due to constant misuse. Pedophile can stay, since some series do have characters that are legitimately pedophiles (Banana Fish comes to mind)

On another note, it makes me think that it would be helpful if categories had some kind of description/guidelines. That probably won't stop things like this happening (unless staff can see who added the categories and ban the ?) but unrelated to these categories in particular, some are kinda confusing without context if you don't already know what they mean.

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The Pedophile and Pedophilia tags (and Grooming) need looking over for atrocious misuse. Someone's been adding them to any series with an underage girl + adult man (and even then it's not always the case), regardless of the context or age gap. Or even if the girl is considered an adult in the series itself.

Someone's even tagged Sailor Moon with Pedophilia. At this point it's either a troll or a terrible joke.

If anything, these tags don't really help, and I think the Pedophilia tag should be deleted due to constant misuse. Pedophile can stay, since some series do have characters that are legitimately pedophiles (Banana Fish comes to mind)

+1, I saw that once too. But I’m against deleting a tag entirely.

On another note, it makes me think that it would be helpful if categories had some kind of description/guidelines. That probably won't stop things like this happening (unless staff can see who added the categories and ban the ?) but unrelated to these categories in particular, some are kinda confusing without context if you don't already know what they mean.

I considered making a dictionary-style reference for tags, but there are just too many tags, so I gave up. That said, I'd still be happy to help if others are interested in working on it. Why not make our dictionary a wiki too?

Sailor Moon has one relationship with underage - Chibiusa and Helios. But some people may count even Mamoru and Usagi (17 and 14 in first arc, but he lives independent and looks much older so for many people it looks like pedophilia if you don't know exact age and all reasons before).

I still think it's tag misuse imo.

Also, it's pretty vague. Does it mean that this work is about pedophilia, or does it contain pedophilia? Because there are some series that actually discuss it and treat it as an actual issue, which imo are the ones that should be tagged, not the series that have a background relationship where one party is underage.

Like, that's what the Age Gap tag (EDIT: Do we have an Underage tag? That's more what I'm thinking of) is for, imo. And with Sailor Moon things are kinda weird with the reincarnation and time travel stuff, but I don't know enough about the series to know the details behind it all.

I'm not saying there are never cases of pedophilia in manga. There absolutely are (again, Banana Fish, but I have seen it elsewhere too). But to me tagging "teenager and adult" or "teenager and older teenager" relationships, especially when there's no sexual content between them (or when the relationship in question is in the background), is misleading.

I feel like the people tagging it do genuinely think it's applied (most of the time) but I just don't agree with that usage of the tags.

Maybe I'm wrong here. I don't know. It just rubs me the wrong way. I'm just one , though, and I'm not trying to say that my opinion is the only correct one. I simply wanted to voice my concerns about the misuse.

I feel like the people tagging it do genuinely think it's applied (most of the time) but I just don't agree with that usage of the tags.

Isn't that kind of thing why we can vote on the categories? If someone adds a category that isn't trolling or anything, it's all in good faith, they just hold an opinion that most of the readers would disagree with, then the majority can vote that they disagree with it and it'll be displayed less prominently (or possibly not at all unless you click "Show all").

Like I'm not weighing in on this particular debate either way since I've never read the sailor moon manga and haven't watched the anime since I was little, but in general if I see someone's added a category that I think is wrong but not maliciously applied or anything, I just vote "disagree" on it.

Isn't that kind of thing why we can vote on the categories? If someone adds a category that isn't trolling or anything, it's all in good faith, they just hold an opinion that most of the readers would disagree with, then the majority can vote that they disagree...

Sure, but I think it's sometimes hard to tell what's trolling and what's just someone misunderstanding/being misinformed. Maybe that's just me being bad at reading people though.

I've been disagreeing with the tags on series I'm familiar with but part of why I wanted to bring it up here is that it seems to be widespread misuse and I was wondering if there was anything that could be done about it. I know there'll be many other tags being misused, but the ones I mentioned tend to be hot topics for drama/debate amongst fans, which is why I mentioned them in particular.

(Not because I'm trying to defend any series specifically, and again, there are definitely cases where they're applied legitimately. But to me there's a big difference between, like, a series focusing on systematic child abuse and a teacher/student relationship that's not really given any nuance. Again, this might just be me!)

Well, I think it's exaggerating in SM (I watched both adaptations and second was created to be more accurate as first deviated a lot from original) so I know "a little" about it, so yes, personally I don't see it as pedophilia (except Chibiusa but It was very veeery background relationship), but still there are grounds.... So maybe splitting this tag will be for better? Splitting for "small" like SM (as warrings for people sensitive for that content) and "big" like those which you mentioned where even there are talks about it as well as all series with primarily relationship with underage and clearly adult, not sure what to do with historical as in ancient/medieval times it was normal and often as political marriage, not to mention adulthood in that times was different and that marriages not always end with consuming before bride/groom reached adulthood.

To sumup, I think first of all this tag need splitting (or use just two tags like Isekai which exist with 10+ detailed tags for or types) to be more detalied about what type of "pedophilia" content there ("Pedophilia/Child-Adult Relationship" is must-be imo)

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I feel like the people tagging it do genuinely think it's applied (most of the time) but I just don't agree with that usage of the tags.

Isn't that kind of thing why we can vote on the categories? If someone adds a category that isn't trolling or anything, it's all in good faith, they just hold an opinion that most of the readers would disagree with, then the majority can vote that they disagree with it and it'll be displayed less prominently (or possibly not at all unless you click "Show all").

And we can also report this kind of thing so that the tags can be removed.

Genuine question: Where do we report tag misuse? This thread, or the report form?

(Sorry for the dumb question, I just don't want to report things in the wrong place and bother the mods!)

I usually use .

Thank you! That's what I figured was the best but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

When I'm up to it I'll report some of them. I'll keep it to the series I've actually read or am otherwise familiar with, like Sailor Moon.

I always use request form, but I always provide longer explanation and link to chapters if needed (ex. For difference with reincarnation it's easier to add link as story's MC often is telling us that "she/he suddenly woke up in not her/his body and it's not newborn 0yo"). Sometimes it's even not 2-3 but 6+ tags xD. I never got reply from mods but almost all wrong are disappearing later, so it looks for me that it's good way.

Yeah, I don't expect replies directly (unless they want to yell at me about something lol), because the staff are pretty busy I'm sure. And are volunteers.

I've submitted a bunch of entries requesting Pedophilia, Pedophile and Grooming tag removals (Boku no Hero Academia and One Piece are tagged with them, good fucking lord), and also suggested that they should be tags that require mod approval before being added due to constant misuse. I'm not sure if that's a possible feature, however.

Also, they do monitor this thread, because someone had removed the tags from Sailor Moon already. Thank you to whoever did that!